Thanks for posting this I’m an American n living in haifa for a
Couple of years
now
With my Israeli born wife
Dis
Tilling this compl
Ex story into 2000 words
is difficult to do
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Points to consider:
I think is the “1947 UN partition resolution 181 was a greatmised opportunity
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The United nations did not give either side everything that they wanted by a longshot
What did you who were thoroughly exhausted by 1947 agreed to accepted terms the Arab on the other hand thought they could do much better on the battlefield and rejected the proposal As soon as the Jews declared independence, the Arabs invaded with six Arab armies from all sides. No one expected the infant state of Israel, who had no military to survive more than a few days, but in one of histories biggest upsets Israel’s one that wore it out, fighting their neighbors ever since. It’s important to note that the first violence between the Jews and the Arabs started in 1920 when armed Arabs mass occurred a large number of unarmed Jews is part of it known as the Navi massacre because it occurred during a Islamic holiday in honor of the prophet Moses That with everything in common, the juice in the Arab should be able to get along and in fact in many communities around the world, Muslims and Jews have historically gotten along quite well, but there were more massacres in 1923 1929 in the town of Cabron And Jerusalem, it wasn’t until the Israelis got modern arm men that the massacre stopped, but the antagonist towards Jews has never gone away and October 7 massacre in the area around the strip is the latest example of this what ironic about it and tragic is that the communities in the south that were attacked and many people were slaughtered in 2024 these communities were populated by left-leaning Israel that comprise the main peace camp and Israeli politics but it’s just one of the many tragic side stories to the history of the area. What is interesting is that Hamas is part of the Muslim brotherhood, which is an Egyptian Islam organization that is outlawed in every single Arab country , because they go the tends to be insurrection and bloodshed. though the story sounds very grim there are some silver linings here my wife and I here in haifa have a neighbor that’s some Arab Israeli citizen that serves he’s never been in the reserves for about a month fight side-by-side with Druze and Jewish comrades in Arms The current war that’s going on is not with the Palestinians really is it. It’s with the two organizations Hamas and Hezbollahthes jihadist organizations are anathema to modern
And tolerant Muslims
It it is quite unfortunate that the reference to some of the work by Israeli historian Avi Schim was included in the summary. A lot of his work has been discredited by quite a large number of historians, particularly his claims that is rallies were placing bombs in Iraq as a false flag operation, there’s no substantive proof for that whatsoever.
Rs
Nt muslims a
Nd C Christians and Jews. The only ones who want to see the demise
Of Hezbollah more
Than Israel is Lebanon
The Arabs were caught up in the global wave of nationalism That followed World War I they had no d Desire to have Jewish neighbors To their new country.
Any examination of the early history in the 20th century of this area must include a close study in analysis of the peel report published in 1937. It is available in PDF form if you Google it and it’s on a server at the United Nations reading that report is like unfolding a high resolution photograph of Palestine and the 1930s, what fascinating about the report was that Lord Peel interviewed all the main players at the time from the Zionist side and the Palestinian side the leader of the Palestinians at that
time was hajj Amin al husseini Also known as the Mufti of Jerusalem in the Peel report, you can read a fascinating conversation between Lord peel and Alhousseini in the discussion. Al Husseiniadmitted that he would remove all the Jews by force because they had no business being in any new country in the area. One of the conclusions. Lord Peel made was that minorities, living under Arab rule in that part of the world was doomed to be oppressed and possibly destroyed. He gave as examples the Greek Christians under the Turks and also the asSyrians in
Iraq, Christians, who were horribly oppressed by the Iraqi Muslims what’s going on now is simply an extension of intolerance and violence also it is important to note that the earliest violence between Jews and Muslims in p No, no Yeah, yeah the 1920s when Arabs on several occasions and Jewish civilians who are unarmed the first of these was the
N
Evi zmusss massacre in 1920 and similar massacres in Hebron and Jerusalem
What is also upgrade interest from that time. Is that not all Palestinians or hostile to the Jews? In fact, there was one clan called the nauseous that strongly advocated for coexistence in peace with the Jews, but they were killed and oppressed by the stronger clan of Al Husseini
As someone who is actually detached, having no allegiance to either side and has spent several months attempting to understand the conflict I see a few problems with this supposedly 'detatched' review of the history.
1. 'In these two separate exoduses, both the Palestinians Muslims/ Christians and the Arab Jews from neighbouring countries lost everything they owned and valued. They probably wondered what they had done to deserve this.'
I think it's pretty glaringly obvious what occurred in 1948 which resulted in the exodus of Palestinians. You reference it yourself in the article...
2. 'the Palestinians were forced to pay the price for the original sin they didn’t commit - centuries of European anti-semitism, persecution and genocide against Jews that took place thousands of miles away'.
This is a pretty biased statement and it's actually quite funny to try and paint the Arabs who lived in British Palestine as innocent victims, completely isolated from the holocaust, when they tried to wipe out the Jews in 1948 when the UN voted to give them a state for the first time and they rejected it.
"I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine's Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine ... You might be surprised to learn that hundreds of Englishmen expressed their wish to volunteer in the Arab armies to fight the Jews."
— Mustafa Amin, "A War of Extermination", Akhbar al-Yom, October 11, 1947
Alan, in theory I salute your interest in taking the time to research this subject. That said…what sources did you rely on for your research? Geniuinely curious.
Most of your argument seems to be based on a random quote from an Egyptian journalist - not exactly a smoking gun.
Blaming the Palestinians (either partially or entirely) for the holocaust is a fringe conspiracy theory that has been debunked and discredited by historians and holocaust experts alike - both Israeli and international. It’s even controversial amongst the hardest of the hard right of the Israeli political spectrum which is saying something.
Your statement seems to be misattributing a quote. It's important to note that the quote in question is from Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, who served as the Secretary-General of the Arab League from 1945 to 1952, not a 'random Egyptian journalist'. Azzam played a significant role during the period when the Arab League opposed the 1947 UN partition plan for Palestine, which would have established both Jewish and Arab states. This opposition eventually led to the Arab League's involvement in the 1947-1948 war against the newly declared State of Israel.
I have not suggested that the Palestinians bear responsibility for the Holocaust. I would encourage rereading my comment.
Alan, you (not me) quoted Mustafa Amin who is indeed an Egyptian journalist. If you misattributed the quote that’s fine but don’t accuse me of making that error.
Wrt the holocaust comment, you specifically state: “it's actually quite funny to try and paint the Arabs who lived in British Palestine as innocent victims, completely isolated from the holocaust”. Here you are explicitly linking Palestinians to the holocaust and arguing otherwise isn’t going to fly. Perhaps you regret writing that.
You don’t seem to take ownership for your assertions/ errors and I won’t be engaging further. Good luck with your research - I suggest you review additional sources.
I believe Amin recorded the quote from the secretary general.
I do think that if the Arabs had won the 1947 war then there would have been a genocide which would have decimated the numbers of Jews even further. Many Arabs were friendly with the Nazis, including the grand mufti of Jerusalem. Maybe it was stupid to link this to the Holocaust, and counterfactual history is always a dangerous game to play.
I wonder what unbiased sources you would recommend? As some have commented, there appears to be two different histories of the conflict and it's possible that I've been reading only one side.
I have just listened to an
Ancestor of Henrietta Szold and I can assure you, this was not taught in our religious schools:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ihud
Thanks for posting this I’m an American n living in haifa for a
Couple of years
now
With my Israeli born wife
Dis
Tilling this compl
Ex story into 2000 words
is difficult to do
Nt points left out most som
E mor
E
Points to consider:
I think is the “1947 UN partition resolution 181 was a greatmised opportunity
Re
D ne
The United nations did not give either side everything that they wanted by a longshot
What did you who were thoroughly exhausted by 1947 agreed to accepted terms the Arab on the other hand thought they could do much better on the battlefield and rejected the proposal As soon as the Jews declared independence, the Arabs invaded with six Arab armies from all sides. No one expected the infant state of Israel, who had no military to survive more than a few days, but in one of histories biggest upsets Israel’s one that wore it out, fighting their neighbors ever since. It’s important to note that the first violence between the Jews and the Arabs started in 1920 when armed Arabs mass occurred a large number of unarmed Jews is part of it known as the Navi massacre because it occurred during a Islamic holiday in honor of the prophet Moses That with everything in common, the juice in the Arab should be able to get along and in fact in many communities around the world, Muslims and Jews have historically gotten along quite well, but there were more massacres in 1923 1929 in the town of Cabron And Jerusalem, it wasn’t until the Israelis got modern arm men that the massacre stopped, but the antagonist towards Jews has never gone away and October 7 massacre in the area around the strip is the latest example of this what ironic about it and tragic is that the communities in the south that were attacked and many people were slaughtered in 2024 these communities were populated by left-leaning Israel that comprise the main peace camp and Israeli politics but it’s just one of the many tragic side stories to the history of the area. What is interesting is that Hamas is part of the Muslim brotherhood, which is an Egyptian Islam organization that is outlawed in every single Arab country , because they go the tends to be insurrection and bloodshed. though the story sounds very grim there are some silver linings here my wife and I here in haifa have a neighbor that’s some Arab Israeli citizen that serves he’s never been in the reserves for about a month fight side-by-side with Druze and Jewish comrades in Arms The current war that’s going on is not with the Palestinians really is it. It’s with the two organizations Hamas and Hezbollahthes jihadist organizations are anathema to modern
And tolerant Muslims
It it is quite unfortunate that the reference to some of the work by Israeli historian Avi Schim was included in the summary. A lot of his work has been discredited by quite a large number of historians, particularly his claims that is rallies were placing bombs in Iraq as a false flag operation, there’s no substantive proof for that whatsoever.
Rs
Nt muslims a
Nd C Christians and Jews. The only ones who want to see the demise
Of Hezbollah more
Than Israel is Lebanon
The Arabs were caught up in the global wave of nationalism That followed World War I they had no d Desire to have Jewish neighbors To their new country.
Any examination of the early history in the 20th century of this area must include a close study in analysis of the peel report published in 1937. It is available in PDF form if you Google it and it’s on a server at the United Nations reading that report is like unfolding a high resolution photograph of Palestine and the 1930s, what fascinating about the report was that Lord Peel interviewed all the main players at the time from the Zionist side and the Palestinian side the leader of the Palestinians at that
time was hajj Amin al husseini Also known as the Mufti of Jerusalem in the Peel report, you can read a fascinating conversation between Lord peel and Alhousseini in the discussion. Al Husseiniadmitted that he would remove all the Jews by force because they had no business being in any new country in the area. One of the conclusions. Lord Peel made was that minorities, living under Arab rule in that part of the world was doomed to be oppressed and possibly destroyed. He gave as examples the Greek Christians under the Turks and also the asSyrians in
Iraq, Christians, who were horribly oppressed by the Iraqi Muslims what’s going on now is simply an extension of intolerance and violence also it is important to note that the earliest violence between Jews and Muslims in p No, no Yeah, yeah the 1920s when Arabs on several occasions and Jewish civilians who are unarmed the first of these was the
N
Evi zmusss massacre in 1920 and similar massacres in Hebron and Jerusalem
What is also upgrade interest from that time. Is that not all Palestinians or hostile to the Jews? In fact, there was one clan called the nauseous that strongly advocated for coexistence in peace with the Jews, but they were killed and oppressed by the stronger clan of Al Husseini
As someone who is actually detached, having no allegiance to either side and has spent several months attempting to understand the conflict I see a few problems with this supposedly 'detatched' review of the history.
1. 'In these two separate exoduses, both the Palestinians Muslims/ Christians and the Arab Jews from neighbouring countries lost everything they owned and valued. They probably wondered what they had done to deserve this.'
I think it's pretty glaringly obvious what occurred in 1948 which resulted in the exodus of Palestinians. You reference it yourself in the article...
2. 'the Palestinians were forced to pay the price for the original sin they didn’t commit - centuries of European anti-semitism, persecution and genocide against Jews that took place thousands of miles away'.
This is a pretty biased statement and it's actually quite funny to try and paint the Arabs who lived in British Palestine as innocent victims, completely isolated from the holocaust, when they tried to wipe out the Jews in 1948 when the UN voted to give them a state for the first time and they rejected it.
"I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine's Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine ... You might be surprised to learn that hundreds of Englishmen expressed their wish to volunteer in the Arab armies to fight the Jews."
— Mustafa Amin, "A War of Extermination", Akhbar al-Yom, October 11, 1947
Alan, in theory I salute your interest in taking the time to research this subject. That said…what sources did you rely on for your research? Geniuinely curious.
Most of your argument seems to be based on a random quote from an Egyptian journalist - not exactly a smoking gun.
Blaming the Palestinians (either partially or entirely) for the holocaust is a fringe conspiracy theory that has been debunked and discredited by historians and holocaust experts alike - both Israeli and international. It’s even controversial amongst the hardest of the hard right of the Israeli political spectrum which is saying something.
Your statement seems to be misattributing a quote. It's important to note that the quote in question is from Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, who served as the Secretary-General of the Arab League from 1945 to 1952, not a 'random Egyptian journalist'. Azzam played a significant role during the period when the Arab League opposed the 1947 UN partition plan for Palestine, which would have established both Jewish and Arab states. This opposition eventually led to the Arab League's involvement in the 1947-1948 war against the newly declared State of Israel.
I have not suggested that the Palestinians bear responsibility for the Holocaust. I would encourage rereading my comment.
Alan, you (not me) quoted Mustafa Amin who is indeed an Egyptian journalist. If you misattributed the quote that’s fine but don’t accuse me of making that error.
Wrt the holocaust comment, you specifically state: “it's actually quite funny to try and paint the Arabs who lived in British Palestine as innocent victims, completely isolated from the holocaust”. Here you are explicitly linking Palestinians to the holocaust and arguing otherwise isn’t going to fly. Perhaps you regret writing that.
You don’t seem to take ownership for your assertions/ errors and I won’t be engaging further. Good luck with your research - I suggest you review additional sources.
I believe Amin recorded the quote from the secretary general.
I do think that if the Arabs had won the 1947 war then there would have been a genocide which would have decimated the numbers of Jews even further. Many Arabs were friendly with the Nazis, including the grand mufti of Jerusalem. Maybe it was stupid to link this to the Holocaust, and counterfactual history is always a dangerous game to play.
I wonder what unbiased sources you would recommend? As some have commented, there appears to be two different histories of the conflict and it's possible that I've been reading only one side.